Dear Paz and Richard, this is one of the biggest mysteries about WWII.
What was the "V4", assuming it existed ?
It is the mythical and very powerful weapon that Nazi's created (?). We don't know if it is true, but we know that never have been used.
The real name Reichenberg was only nicknamed V4 by the Allies after the war. It is a mythical Rocket-Weapon, that's all.
I am against the nazi's, but I can't see how this art about World War II is offending anyone.
21.04.2014 08:33
Paz Member
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My opinion remain the same,Nikos. I didn't ask you to remove it, just said what I think.
and yes, I can agree with Richard.
21.04.2014 15:41
sed Member
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Well made :clap:
21.04.2014 15:45
pitkon Member
Join Date: 22.04.2014 Comments: 4
First of all, I gotta say this work is superb - kudos to the artist.
Second, I will have to object to the swastika thing as well. I wouldn't mind if it were the real thing - I mean we see photographs of WWII Nazi tanks and airplanes and flags in documentaries, along with American stars and Soviet hammer and sickles.
What gets me is the fact that this is not the real thing and the proliferation of a Nazi symbol strikes me as unbecoming.
Third, it's a reminder that Wernher von Braun, the creator of the V2 rockets, used workers from concentration camps to achieve all that and instead of being tried as a war criminal he was hailed as a genius by the Americans who, of course, used him for their own military needs.
It's sad. really...
22.04.2014 09:15
adni18 Admin
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Because V4 is a mythical and one of the most mysterious creations, if ever existed, the fantasy of the artist try to show to the world how it could be look like... thats all, I see no propaganda in favor of the Nazi's.
22.04.2014 09:25
pitkon Member
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I didn't mention propaganda. I simply see no need to include a symbol that brings up so many bad memories and is prohibited in so many countries...
22.04.2014 09:54
adni18 Admin
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Prohibited symbol? Wow! In the 21st century?
Swastika is the Oldest Known Symbol. It is an ancient symbol that has been used for over 3,000 years.
During the following thousand years, the image of the swastika was used by many cultures around the world, including in China, Japan, India, and southern Europe and the Native Americans.
The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.
Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.
During World War I, the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II.
There is a great debate as to what the swastika means now. For 3,000 years, the swastika meant life and good luck. But because of the Nazis, it has also taken on a meaning of death and hate.
These conflicting meanings are causing problems in today's society. Unfortunately, the Nazis were so effective at their use of the swastika emblem, that many do not even know any other meaning for the swastika.
22.04.2014 12:33
pitkon Member
Join Date: 22.04.2014 Comments: 4
Yes, Nazi symbols are prohibited in many countries, Greece included. Yes, in the 21st century. Rightfully so, imho. I don't treat the swastika as an individual symbol (after all, it's a reversed symbol of ancient Greece) but as a hate reminder, as you so aptly put it.
And let's not focus on a single symbol, otherwise I think we'd be missing the point...
22.04.2014 13:08
Paz Member
Join Date: 14.02.2013 Comments: 494
Since I started this discussion, I want to offer a bit different perspective to it. When I see "adni18" I think of ART. Why?...
Because it's out there long enough and very effective. we know how those Logo's are working on our sub-contentions. This *Nazi symbol* represent in our collective sub-contentions something that is evil. The meaning is much deeper and goes beyond Nazi era. although we see people using it now days, again! I think we as free democratic people should be aware of those notions and protest against them.
In this Image here, you see a weapon, a tool of war, that intend to kill and destroy - add that Nazi symbol to it, and you get the all idea in a split of a second.
I'm not suggesting the artist is propagating those ideas intentionally, He might or might not but the result is all the same.
22.04.2014 14:26
kceg Member
Join Date: 25.02.2013 Comments: 29
I put the swastika on as an added visual menace to a contra-historical absurdity.
As to Nazi symbolism. It is widely evident in contemporary film, art and literature, and owing to the unparallelled impact that WW2 and Nazism had on the last century, it is not surprising. People will continue to reference it.
Take film for example, It is common to see the characters and symbols of Nazi Germany lampooned (Who can forget 'Springtime For Hitler' in 'The Producers') or outrageously stereotyped ( 'Iron Sky') Or completely demonized (EG: 'Inglorious Basterds' or 'Captain America'). Even occasionally made a little sympathetic ('The Reader')
The point is, the symbolism is here to stay. How it is perceived will always be dependent on the morality of the observer. Overwhelmingly the perception will be one of a reminder and a warning.
23.04.2014 01:27
pitkon Member
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Wisely put, kceg. Let's keep the warning in our minds... And, besides symbolisms and anything else, your work is simply superb.
